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No. Item


Apologies for Absence

To receive apologies for absence from Members of the Sub-Committee.


There were no apologies for absence.


Urgent Business

The Chair to announce any items of urgent business circulated separately from the main agenda.


There was no urgent business.


Declarations of Interest pdf icon PDF 137 KB

Members to declare any personal and financial interests in items on the agenda.  Attention is drawn to the Council’s Constitution; the Council’s Code of Conduct and associated advice.

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Resolved –


That the list of Councillors’ memberships as Council appointed representatives on outside bodies, joint committees and school governing bodies be noted.


Minutes pdf icon PDF 70 KB

Members are requested to confirm as an accurate record the Minutes of the meeting held on 15 November 18 and 17 January 2019.


No motion or discussion may take place upon the Minutes except as to their accuracy, and any question on this point will be determined by a majority of the Members of the body attending who were present when the matter in question was decided.  Once confirmed, with or without amendment, the person presiding will sign the Minutes.

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Resolved -


That the minutes of the meetings of Licensing Sub-Committee ‘B’ held on 15 November 2018 and 17 January 2019 be agreed and signed as true and accurate records.


R&A Newsagent, 16 Kingsman Parade, Woolwich Dockyard, London SE18 5QE pdf icon PDF 202 KB

Application for a premises licence

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In reaching its decision the Sub Committee considered the Council’s statement of Licensing Policy, the Licensing Act 2003, the Regulations made there under and the Guidance issued by the Secretary of State under S.182 of that Act. In discharging its functions, the Sub Committee did so with a view to promoting the licensing objectives of the prevention of crime and disorder, public safety, the prevention of public nuisance and the protection of children from harm.


Having considered all the evidence put before it the Sub-Committee decided to grant thePremises Licence under the Licensing Act 2003 in respect of the


R & A Newsagents, 16 Kingsman Parade, Woolwich Dockyard, London SE18 5QE


as follows:


That the hours for licensable activities


the Off-Sale & Supply of Alcohol


Monday – Sunday

08:00 – 23:00



the hours that the premises shall be open to the public shall be:


Monday - Sunday

06:00 – 24:00



The premises licence is granted subject to the conditions as are consistent with the Operating Schedule and the conditions volunteered by the applicant and agreed with the Police, Environmental Health and Public Health as set as follows:


1.    The premises shall operate Greenwich Council’s ‘Reducing the Strength’ Scheme. This means that the premises shall not sell any beers, lager or cider with an ABV of 6.5% and above unless agreed in writing with the Police Licensing Team.


2.    The display of alcohol shall not exceed more than 25% of the retail space within the premises.


3.    The premises shall not sell single cans or bottles of beer, lager or cider with a capacity of 750ml or less.


4.    The premises shall operate the ‘Challenge 25’ scheme. Under this scheme, all staff shall challenge every individual who appears to be under 25 years of age and shall refuse service where individuals cannot produce acceptable means of identification to prove they are over 18. Notices shall be displayed as to the age verification policy, advising customers that if they look under 25, they may be asked to provide evidence of age. Acceptable forms of ID shall be:

a)    A UK driving licence;

b)   A passport;

c)    A Home Office approved ID card.


5.    All staff shall be trained in the law about the sale of alcohol. Such training shall include challenging every individual who appears to be under 25 years of age and to refuse service where individuals cannot produce acceptable means of identification; understanding acceptable forms of ID; and using the refusal register. Such training (including any refresher training) shall be logged and provided not less than every twelve (12) months. The training log shall be made available for inspection by Police and “authorised persons” (as defined by Section 13 of the Licensing Act 2003).


6.    A refusals register must be kept at the premises, and made immediately available on request to the police or “authorised persons” (as defined by Section 13, Licensing Act 2003). The refusals register shall be inspected on a monthly basis by the Designated Premises Supervisor  ...  view the full decision text for item 5.


In Attendance:


Applicant                                 SivanesanVenavarman; Nira Suresh (representative)


Making Representation             Tammy Lee; Brian Moulton


The Chair welcomed all parties and ensured that introductions were made, all papers had been received and that all parties were aware of their right to be represented.


The Sub-Committee considered an application made by Sivanesan Venavarman for a premises licence in relation to R&A Newsagents, 16 Kingsman Parade, Woolwich Dockyard, London SE18 5QE.


The Licensing Officer gave an illustrated introduction to the report


The Sub-Committee was addressed by the applicant’s representative.  The applicant’s representative’s commented on the applicant’s retail experience. It was highlighted that the hours originally requested in the application had been reduced, and that conditions had been agreed with the Police.


In response to questions from the Sub-Committee, the applicant’s representative stated that the alcohol would just be another product that the store sold, it would not change the nature of the shop. It was expected that those purchasing the alcohol would be existing customers. It was understood that those buying alcohol at 8am might be alcoholics but staff would refuse sales if the customer was clearly drunk. The applicant’s representative explained that the applicant had two years’ experience of working in an off-licence. She detailed the staffing arrangements for the premises.


The Sub-Committee was addressed by two of those who had made representation. It was felt the reasons for the refusal of the 2012 application still stood. It was felt granting the application would exacerbate current problems in the area and encourage loitering and aggressive begging outside the parade. It was noted there were already licensed premises in the parade and in the near vicinity. Whilst accepting the point about early licensing hours, the later hours were also questioned as there was a bookmakers next door to the premises.


In response to questions from the Sub-Committee those making representation indicated that they were disappointed that the Police had not objected to the application as they had last time. It was not felt that the area had improved since the time of the last application. It was felt the application would attract unwanted types. It was confirmed that one of those making representation operated the off-licence in the parade, and she stated that she did not envisage extending her current operating hours to the hours permitted by her licence.


In response to questions from the Sub-Committee about the representations which were of a template nature, those making representation clarified who had organised the representations, and that the template letters had been available in the off-licence in the parade. It was stated that the representations had not been made on the basis of competition as the organiser of the representations was not the licence holder of the off-licence in the parade. The Sub-Committee noted that the organiser of the representations was not present.


There was a discussion of the matter.


The applicant’s representative suggested that the representations were objections from another premises. It was noted that while that premises operated reduced hours they  ...  view the full minutes text for item 5.