Greenwich Council

Agenda, decisions and minutes.

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Items
No. Item

1.

Apologies for Absence

To receive apologies for absence from Members of the Sub-Committee.

Minutes:

There were no apologies for absence.

2.

Urgent Business

The Chair to announce any items of urgent business circulated separately from the main agenda.

Minutes:

There was no urgent business.

3.

Declarations of Interest pdf icon PDF 35 KB

Members to declare any personal and financial interests in items on the agenda.  Attention is drawn to the Council’s Constitution; the Council’s Code of Conduct and associated advice.

Additional documents:

Minutes:

Resolved –

 

That the list of Councillors’ memberships as Council appointed representatives on outside bodies, joint committees and school governing bodies be noted.

4.

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Members are requested to confirm as an accurate record the Minutes of the meeting held on 20 December 2017.

 

No motion or discussion may take place upon the Minutes except as to their accuracy, and any question on this point will be determined by a majority of the Members of the body attending who were present when the matter in question was decided.  Once confirmed, with or without amendment, the person presiding will sign the Minutes.

Minutes:

Resolved -

 

That the minutes of the meeting of Licensing Sub-Committee ‘A’ held on 20 December 2017 be agreed and signed as a true and accurate record.

5.

EaTurkish, 172 Woolwich Road, Charlton, SE7 7RA, pdf icon PDF 310 KB

Application for a premises licence

Additional documents:

Decision:

In reaching its decision the Sub Committee considered the Council’s statement of Licensing Policy, the Licensing Act 2003, the Regulations made there under and the Guidance issued by the Secretary of State under S.182 of that Act. In discharging its functions, the Sub Committee did so with a view to promoting the licensing objectives of the prevention of crime and disorder, public safety, the prevention of public nuisance and the protection of children from harm.

 

Having considered all the evidence put before it the Sub-Committee decided to grant the Premises Licence under the Licensing Act 2003 in respect of the

 

EaTurkish, 172 Woolwich Road, London SE7 7RA

 

as follows:

 

That the hours for licensable activities:

 

the provision of late night refreshment shall be

 

Sunday - Thursday

23:00 – 24:00

Friday – Saturday

23:00 – 01:00

 

the hours that the premises shall be open to the public shall be:

 

Monday - Sunday

11:00 – 01:00

 

 

The licence is granted subject to the conditions as are consistent with the Operating Schedule and the conditions volunteered by the applicant as set as follows:

 

 

1.            There shall be a CCTV system in use with images stored for at least one month

 

2.            The CCTV shall continuously record whilst the premises is open for licensable activities and during all times when customers remain on the premises. The CCTV will cover the inside of the premises and this CCTV will be stored for a minimum of 31 days with date time stamping.

 

3.            A staff member from the premises who is conversant with the operation of the CCTV system shall be on the premises at all times whilst the premises are open to the public. This staff member must be able to show a Police or authorised officer recent data or footage with the absolute minimum of delay when requested."

 

The licence is also granted subject to the additional conditions agreed by the applicant as follows:

1.    A staff member will check the area surrounding the premises for litter each day before, during and after any licensable activities take place. Any litter found will be removed and disposed of immediately.

2.    There will be no tables, chairs, benches or stools outside the front of the premises during the hours of licensable activities.

3.    Staff members will monitor the outside of the premises to ensure that customers do not congregate outside. If any number of customers congregate outside or any customers make sufficient noise as may interfere with the peace of the neighbouring properties, they will be asked to move inside or disperse. A written record will be maintained of all instances when this is required and made available to the police or RBG officers upon request.

4.    Prominent signage shall be displayed in the premises asking customers to respect the neighbours and keep noise to a minimum.

5.    The Applicant will maintain written records of the training to all staff regarding noise and litter. These will be made available to the police or RBG officers upon  ...  view the full decision text for item 5.

Minutes:

In Attendance:

 

Applicant     Harun Sanli

 

Making Representation   Lia Silva; Christopher Lupton

 

The Chair welcomed all parties and ensured that introductions were made, all papers had been received and that all parties were aware of their right to be represented.

 

The Sub-Committee considered an application made by Harun Sanli for EaTurkish, 172 Woolwich Road, London SE7 7RA

 

The Licensing Team Manager gave an illustrated introduction to the report.

 

The Sub-Committee was addressed by the applicant. He confirmed that the terminal hours for licensable activities had been amended to 01:00 hours. He noted that there had been problems with flytipping before they had opened the premises, but that since opening they cleaned up the litter in the immediate vicinity. He detailed the action they took to address the problem of litter. He confirmed there was a toilet facility on the premises. He said as there were no night clubs nearby the premises was not likely to be the focus for drunken people. He said there was little parking availability in front of the premises and that it was a controlled parking zone after 18:30. He noted that Woolwich Road was already a busy road and so the premises would not be causing noise extra to what was already present.  He stated that they wanted to be a good neighbour.

 

In response to questions from the Sub-Committee the applicant replied that even if people were noisy at the outside table it would not be greater than the noise from the road. He agreed that the table could be taken in during the evening.

 

The Sub-Committee was addressed by two residents who had made representation. It was not felt that the issue of public nuisance had been addressed. While the Woolwich Road was noisy during the day it was less so at night. Residents were already affected by the sound of car doors slamming and engines revving, and people talking loudly outside the premises irrespective of the outside tables, so extra hours would be unacceptable.  It was stressed the premises was not just on Woolwich Road, but on the corner with Fairthorn Road which was a residential area. It was felt a late licence would impact on residents’ sleep time.

 

In response to questions from the Sub-Committee, Christopher Lupton stated that problems experienced included the sound of car engines running, music from car radios and car doors slamming. Prior to the premises opening the problem with litter had been worse and there had been rodents.

 

In response to further questions from the Sub-Committee the applicant said he did not want conflict with his neighbours. He noted that some of the problems indicated with noise from cars also happened when they were not open so it might not always be their customers. The applicant offered as additional conditions that - 

·        A staff member would check the area surrounding the premises for litter each day before, during and after any licensable activities take place. Any litter found would be removed and disposed of immediately.

·        There  ...  view the full minutes text for item 5.

6.

London Union (Woolwich Covered Market), Plumstead Road, SE18 7BZ pdf icon PDF 437 KB

Application for a premises licence

Additional documents:

Decision:

 

In reaching its decision the Sub Committee considered the Council’s statement of Licensing Policy, the Licensing Act 2003, the Regulations made there under and the Guidance issued by the Secretary of State under S.182 of that Act. In discharging its functions, the Sub Committee did so with a view to promoting the licensing objectives of the prevention of crime and disorder, public safety, the prevention of public nuisance and the protection of children from harm.

 

Having considered all the evidence put before it the Sub-Committee decided to grant the Premises Licence under the Licensing Act 2003 in respect of the

 

London Union (Woolwich Covered Market), Plumstead Road, SE18 7BZ

 

as follows:

 

That the hours for licensable activities

 

the provision of films shall be

 

Sunday – Thursday

10:00 – 23:00

Friday-Saturday

10:00 – 01:00

 

subject to the mandatory condition set out below:

 

“Admission of children to the exhibition of any film must be restricted in accordance with the recommendation of the film classification body or of any recommendation made by the licensing authority.  The licensing authority’s recommendation shall apply where no film classification body is specified or where the licensing authority has notified the applicant that its own recommendation shall apply.  In this condition, “children” means persons under 18 and “film classification body” means the person or persons designated as the authority under Section 4 of the Video Recordings Act 1984 (c.39) (authority to determine suitability of video works for classification).”

 

Non-standard timings for the provision of films shall be

 

 New Year’s night(1st January) & Sundays preceding Bank Holiday Mondays

10:00 – 01:00

 

 

provision of recorded & live music shall be

 

Sunday – Thursday

10:00 – 23:00

Friday – Saturday

10:00 – 01:00

 

Non-standard timings for the provision of live music shall be

 

 New Year’s night(1st January) & Sundays preceding Bank Holiday Mondays

10:00 – 01:00

 

the provision of late night refreshment shall be

 

Sunday – Thursday

23:00 – 23:30

Friday -Saturday

23:00 – 01:00

 

Non-standard timings for the provision of late night refreshment shall be

 

 New Year’s night(1st January) & Sundays preceding Bank Holiday Mondays

23:00 – 01:00

 

the supply of alcohol shall be

 

Sunday – Thursday

10:00 – 23:00

Friday –Saturday

10:00 – 01:00

 

Non-standard timings for the supply of alcohol shall be

 

 New Year’s night(1st January) & Sundays preceding Bank Holiday Mondays

10:00 – 01:00

 

 

the hours that the premises shall be open to the public shall be:

 

Sunday - Thursday

10:00 – 00:00

Friday-Saturday

10:00 – 01:30

 

Non-standard timings the hours that the premises shall be open to the public shall be

 

 New Year’s night(1st January) & Sundays preceding Bank Holiday Mondays

01:00 – 01:30

 

The licence is granted subject to the conditions as are consistent with the Operating Schedule and the conditions volunteered by the applicant as set as follows:

 

1        The premises shall install and maintain a comprehensive CCTV system as per the minimum requirements of the Metropolitan Police. All public areas of the licensed premises, including all public entry and exit points and the street  ...  view the full decision text for item 6.

Minutes:

In Attendance:

 

Applicant                        Jonathan Downey, Craig Doyle, Richard Vivian, Matt Sanders; Jack Spiegler (legal representative)

 

Making Representation   Councillor Danny Thorpe; Councillor John Fahy; PC Giles Balestrini; Jeremy MacLeod (Environmental Health); Nicholas Day; William Dixon; David Franklin; Andrew Spells; Winston Brown (legal representative for Mr and Mrs Hunt and for David Franklin).

 

The Chair welcomed all parties and ensured that introductions were made, all papers had been received and that all parties were aware of their right to be represented.

 

The Sub-Committee considered an application made by New London Markets Ltd for London Union at the site of the former Woolwich Covered Public Market, Plumstead Road, London SE18 7BZ.

 

The Licensing Officer gave an illustrated introduction to the report. He drew the Sub-Committee’s attention to a number of additional documents which had been circulated.

 

The Sub-Committee was addressed by the applicant’s legal representative.  He clarified the proposed application. He noted there was a balance of representations, with a large number in support, and of those objecting none objected in principle to the proposal but that the concern was the terminal hour. He emphasised that the proposed hours were business critical, and without them that would affect the viability of a licence. He explained the measures that were proposed to address the concerns raised in the representations. He drew the Sub-Committee’s attention to the Royal Borough of Greenwich’s Statement of Licensing Policy, paragraph 10.8, and said the application would meet that Policy’s object in being part of the regeneration of the area and that it would have a positive influence on the licensing objectives. Its presence would increase security to that area.  He stated that it was not felt the licenced premises would create a noise worse than that generated by Plumstead Road.

 

In response to questions from the Sub-Committee the applicant indicated the approximate external curtilage. With regard to the screening of films the positioning of the screen and speakers could be changed if it did cause issues.

 

The Sub-Committee was addressed by Councillor Danny Thorpe, Cabinet Member for Regeneration and Sustainability. He spoke on the regeneration value of the licence to the area. He stated he had visited some of the other sites operated by the applicant and found them well managed both internally and externally. He noted the other licensed premises in the immediate area.

 

The Sub-Committee was addressed by Ward Councillor John Fahy. He noted the concerns that had been raised and suggested they had been addressed by the applicant. He noted the premises place in the redevelopment of the area. He felt that a licence would help develop a night time economy.

 

The Sub-Committee was addressed by Nicholas Day and William Dixon who spoke in support of the application. It was felt the proposal was an opportunity to revitalise the area.

 

The Sub-Committee was addressed by PC Giles Balestrini. He expressed the concern of the Metropolitan Police that the outside area was likely to create a noise nuisance. They disagreed that the Plumstead Road would create as  ...  view the full minutes text for item 6.